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How often do men think about ancient Rome? Quite frequently, it seems.​

It’s been almost 2,000 years since the Roman Empire reached the historic peak of its power. But many men still contemplate it — quite a lot.

A new social media trend prompting women to ask the men in their lives how often they think about ancient Rome reveals that it crosses the minds of many men on a weekly basis. Even daily. Or more — to the surprise and confusion of their loved ones.

“Three times a day,” answered one woman’s fiancé in a TikTok video. “There’s so much to think about,” he explained, eliciting a stunned look into the camera from his soon-to-be wife.

“They built an entire world-dominating society,” another man exclaimed when asked by a bewildered-looking woman to justify why he contemplates ancient Rome.

“Actually I was just having a conversation about their aqueducts and the fact that they had concrete that could harden. … How the hell did you know that?” answered another person who said they think about ancient Rome “at least once a day” in response to the question, in a screenshot shared on TikTok.

But why? Sure, the Roman Empire boasted a dominion that stretched across the entire Mediterranean basin and far beyond. It was a flourishing laboratory of works of art and engineering that continue to astound. And it operated under a political system that still forms the basis of many modern counterparts. (At least, that’s what this reporter contemplates, maybe once a fortnight.)

But why does there seem to be a gender divide in who is daydreaming about ancient Rome today?

According to historians, one explanation could be that Western societies have historically overemphasized the aspects of Roman history that are associated with masculinity in the popular imagination.

The first thing that comes to the mind is “an image of the Roman legion, the imperial eagle and that sort of military aspect — along with gladiators, which has a long association with masculinity and power,” Hannah Cornwell, a historian of the ancient world at Britain’s Birmingham University, said in a telephone interview Thursday.

Since at least the 19th century, she said, historians have tended to view ancient Rome through the prism of politics and warfare, in part as a result of their reliance on “elite, masculine” sources.

“That has informed popular culture,” she said. “And yet — it’s then missing out on so much.”

The slew of videos on TikTok appear to have been prompted by Artur Hulu, a 32-year-old Roman reenactor and history influencer from Sweden who has earned a large following.

Known as “Gaius Flavius” online, where he posts videos of himself as a Roman legionnaire and performs comedy sketches as a gladiator, Hulu wrote on Instagram: “Ladies, many of you do not realize how often men think about the Roman Empire. … You will be surprised by their answers!”

In an interview, Hulu said he posed the question after noticing a disparity between men and women in their interest in Roman history and seeing other creators discuss similar trends. Hulu’s Roman reenactment society, for example, involves 16 men and two women, he said. “It is heavily male dominated.”

The disparity in interest dates back hundreds of years, Hulu believes. “The men during the Renaissance did it. The Founding Fathers also thought about the Roman Empire. Once you get enough exposure to the Roman Empire, whether it’s the military stuff or the law, you start to see it everywhere,” he said. “I can’t remember a day when I didn’t think about the Roman Empire. … It just fascinates me how different but also how similar the Roman Empire is to our world today.”

And “Gaius Flavius” is not alone. One Reddit user, when prompted by his wife, said he thinks about the Roman Empire a few times a week.

“So many things in our lives today were influenced by the Roman Empire,” he explained in a post. “Language, food, philosophy, architecture, war, entertainment, sports, mythology, culture. … I don’t actively focus on the Roman Empire but the connection always pops into my head as I go about my daily life.”
Historians insist that Rome itself isn’t just “guy stuff,” as some men in videos called it.

“Ancient Rome was of course patriarchal and violent,” Lewis Webb, a historian of ancient Rome at Oxford University, wrote in an email. “But it was also a diverse place: there were numerous forms of masculinity, women could have agency and power, and there were multiple gender expressions and identities, as well as various sexualities.”

Historian Cornwell also points out that Sextus Varius Avitus Bassianus, or Elagabalus, the Roman emperor from A.D. 218 to 222, is frequently presented in ancient sources as experimenting with cross-dressing.

“Even when you get to some of the emperors, they’re doing weird and wacky things by modern conceptions of what a man is,” Cornwell points out. There were also female gladiators. “The Romans do have a clear sense of what is masculine and feminine, but within that there is an awful lot of flexibility. Which sometimes we often forget about,” she said.

And she herself, of course, thinks about the Roman Empire quite a lot — on a daily basis, as it is her chosen field. Her partner recently told her he thinks about it “1.6 times a month.”
So what is a healthy amount?

“Goodness,” she said, laughing. “I’d say it really depends on what you’re thinking about.”
 
You cannot think about other historical periods in any kind of positive light. Don't you know how problematic that is? Don't you know that those backwards hicks didn't even have the correct opinions on Black Lives, trans folx, and women's rights? Hearing you talk about the Roman Empire is making me really uncomfortable, sweaty.
 
The letters you are reading right now are based on the Latin-alphabet, it's really hard not to think about Rome sometimes.
I’m glad we ditched the Roman numerals for the Arabic numerals though. Math would be so much more annoying with it all in Roman numerals. Also, Romans had a concept of 10, but there is no numeral for 0.
 
Apparently I think of it more often than my husband, but that shit interests me so maybe I’m just autistic.
I just asked my husband and he said he never thinks of it. I think of it probably several times a week. It is so interesting and still effects so much of our lives today. I used to read a lot of books on the subject.

More generally though, every time someone is comparing men and women and how we all supposedly think differently I end up being more like the male in nearly every example of this sort of thing. I don't know if I am just some total weirdo outlier or what. But apparently I don't think like a woman.
 
Zeroth Reich
1st Reich
2nd Reich
3rd Reich
That's what flows through a man's mind. We don't think about the 4th Reich because it's really gay and pozzed. 5th Reich is probably going to make us forget the bad times but with how 4th Reich is going, we're going to forget in such a manner we're going to think 5th Reich is 1st Reich.
 
I forgot to add this earlier, but I really enjoy economic history too. I developed a love for it by learning more about the colonial era. The colonial period gave way for mercantilism, and helped establish what we know as modern economic theory through people like Adam Smith (author of Wealth of Nations). It was also the backdrop to many of the wars for independence that would happen in the Americas against colonial rule.
 
I think of it C O N S T A N T L Y.

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"Wait, you think about arguably one of the greatest accomplishments in human history? That's so weird"

Do they really?
 
Roads, running water and more widespread literacy. Without the last of which we would not be reading this shit.
"Democracy dies in darkness." Thankfully your descent into a glorified blog is public for all to see WP.
 
Ancient Rome is one of those be-all-end-all discussions when it comes to history. It existed for so long and had such a huge history intersecting with other ancient civilizations, who needs Game of Thrones when all this shit happened in real life? The rise and fall of powerful emperors, the persistent threat of barbaric hordes, the Senate and all of its inner turmoil, the many campaigns and wars that ranged from victory to disaster, the tactics and discipline that got them that far, the backstabbings and factions that flipped on a dime, the division and ultimate collapse of the empire, the millions of people that died in those conflicts - there is more than enough long, enduring influence from Ancient Rome that is worth occupying thought.

Just Caesar's story on its own is worth the MCU's library of films. The Gallic Wars, the Triumvirate, his forays into Britain, his war against Pompey the Great, his side-story war with Ptolemy XIII where he defeated the Alexandrians and banged Cleopatra, the rest of the civil war against Titus Labienus among others, his assassination and the post-Caesar Civil War that saw leaders who had more power than he ever did rise to the top.

It's all very compelling, even if the only thing you take from it is the parallels to the modern day.
 
They don't want you to think about Roman history, you might learn such lessons as "letting a shitton of immigrants that hate you into your borders so you can exploit them will end up with them burning your cities and raping your women" or "sometimes the rot of a corrupt republic can only be cleansed by crossing the Rubicon."
 
"Hey, we need another clickbait article about how men suck."

"Ok, why do men" *throws dart* "think about the Roman empire so much?"
 
Guys if you ever want to depress yourselves ask the women in your lives if they ever think about anything important from history, art or literature that isn't goyslop produced post-2000
 
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