How Do We Teach Children To Develop Their Own Opinions?

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SmallTalk201 dijo:
Your goal as a parent isn't to teach them how to have their own opinion. Your job as a parent is teach them how to survive. Teach them any thing besides that and you will be setting them up for failure
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To have opinions is an important way of communicating your thoughts on different things with various people, and communication is one of the key factors to survival.

Without the ability to communicate or the strength within, youll just be...autistic.
 
Shadfan666xxx000 dijo:
Having 8 kids could work in an old farming or craftsman family. You'd work the shop or farm all day and teach your kids how to do likewise and as the first rough cohort of kids grew up, they'd teach the younger kids.
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How is that going to teach them to "have their own opinions"? Lol.

You are completely correct of course.

I think the main thrust of my criticism is that in general I think people have a poor and anachronistic idea of what parenting was compared to what it is.

Having your own opinions isn't even necessarily a good thing, there are many places where having your own opinion is a veritable hindrance.
 
mindlessobserver dijo:
A parents job is to teach their kids right and wrong. What will kill them, what won't kill them. What are good ideas, what are bad ideas. Kids will never truly respect or appreciate a parent who does not actually set boundaries and orient reality properly for them. Once they are older and in their teenage years, then you can worry about introducing them to things like questioning authority and considering the nature of things. Which is again also an important part of parenting, as its preparing for the inevitable separation. But if you don't establish a basic foundation of morality and identity before they hit those teenage years you are in for a seriously bad time IMO.
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This. Fucking this right here.

Children need a strong core personality in order to be able to have different opinions in any meaningful sense.
A very import part of developing that core personality is tied to making sure that they have attained a level of competence in something. Academics won’t cut it alone as it’s engineered towards credentialism and people pleasing far too much.
This is why introducing them to shit like trans, gay and lesbian shit is harmful and yes that includes the little gaylings too.
 
Lemmingwise dijo:
How is that going to teach them to "have their own opinions"? Lol.

You are completely correct of course.

I think the main thrust of my criticism is that in general I think people have a poor and anachronistic idea of what parenting was compared to what it is.

Having your own opinions isn't even necessarily a good thing, there are many places where having your own opinion is a veritable hindrance.
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No it's always good to be able to think. You just need to know how to get away with it.
 
Shadfan666xxx000 dijo:
Ok I taught the kid how to cook, clean and be presentable. Now how do I expect him or her to identify a crappy friend, express an opinion in writing beyond emojis, vote semi responsibly and develop troubleshooting skills and balance a checking account? People can live and survive off welfare, crime and retail but you aren't setting yourself up or your grandkids up for life if they don't pick these lessons up and develop ambition before you throw them out the door at 18.
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More of personal experience.
Maltninja dijo:
These things are not mutually exclusive. Honestly, are any of you even parents?
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I don't have children but do know what would have made my life better as I grew up as an adult. I grew up part of the participation trophy generation and a lot of hi minded feel good bullshit fed into my head during that era did huge disservice for me when I turned into an adult.

What I'm saying is get the kid to see the world in terms of "will this increase my odds of survival or not?" Once that have this mindset everything else will fall into place and take care of it self.

Mindless observer said it better then I did. about teaching the kid about what will kill it and what wont. Valuing one's life , learning g how to guard it and learning how to be realistic and grounded isn't a bad thing to teach a child.

one thing I was never taught was good coping skills and proper emotional regulation. How does one expect to survive nd be success of they don't know how to control themselves?

another was never being taught how to deal with personal shortcomings and weaknesses. No one is perfect yet society gives folks endless punishment for their imperfections instead being teaching them how to manage, over come them or turn them into assets. This endless punishment for being human doesn't make for a stable adult
 
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For me, living surrounded by liars, cheaters and scammers worked great.
I could never trust the people around me so I had to find things out for myself.
Because of that, I'm the only person I know who actually cross-references their news, among other things.
 
Probably the best thing to do though, for fostering critical thinking, is to have the kid read a lot, and let them choose what books interest them. I think that's a pretty good antidote to the open sewer that is mass media. Of course, there's the question of temperament as well. I think some people simply don't have much use for independent thought. That's not necessarily a bad thing either so long as they have good ideas instilled in them.

Slightly off topic, but I think the post-iphone generation (born after 2007 or so) is going to have a severe shortage of independent thinkers. There's a reason silicon valley types are raising their own kids tech-free. A mental diet of pewdiepie/jake paul and the American public school system would almost certainly be lethal to any sense of wonder or transcendence that might otherwise have taken root.
 
spurger king dijo:
Probably the best thing to do though, for fostering critical thinking, is to have the kid read a lot, and let them choose what books interest them. I think that's a pretty good antidote to the open sewer that is mass media. Of course, there's the question of temperament as well. I think some people simply don't have much use for independent thought. That's not necessarily a bad thing either so long as they have good ideas instilled in them.

Slightly off topic, but I think the post-iphone generation (born after 2007 or so) is going to have a severe shortage of independent thinkers. There's a reason silicon valley types are raising their own kids tech-free. A mental diet of pewdiepie/jake paul and the American public school system would almost certainly be lethal to any sense of wonder or transcendence that might otherwise have taken root.
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I think the world heading to a crisis on a similar scale as world war two. S o the independent thinkers are going be common
 
I'm glad there are other people that are familiar with John Taylor Gatto and the alternatives to the compulsory school system.

To anyone else that finds this thread through an interest of alternatives to the school system after growing up in the public school system I say this. Welcome to the journey to undo the bullshit you were raised on. You'll be fighting to get that monkey off your back for the rest of your life. While it is a life-long fight, better to start it now then to start it later. If you ever find yourself to be a parent make sure your children never go through the same bull shit you went through. They'll be happier for it, and you'll get to see those children live a life unshackled by the same mental prison you'll have to fight the rest of your life. Be happy that you're contributing to a generation of people that won't be limited by the bull shit pyramid structure schools box people into.

It won't be easy, it will be the better alternative of letting strangers mess with your children's mind for 12+ years of life.
 
You walk a fine line between presenting appropriate information, correcting retarded information, and just letting them think for themselves. Ask them to explain their own points. The other day my nephew was convinced he was taller than a power pole because he could "raise his hand higher than it", and I took the time to whip out a tape measure and explain to him the concept of perspective. Blew his little retarded mind.

"Because I said so" is the absolute worst shit you can do, I think. It just teaches blind obedience. You'll either raise an absolute bug person or a useless contrarian that way.
 
Provide role models, doesn't matter where they come from or through what medium they are accessible, just provide examples of positive virtue in any form. Attempt to be one of these positive role models. They will make their own decisions based on the frameworks they encounter and how they see these models tested in real life. Once they start to cleave to an idea, offer understanding if you cannot offer support. Your reactions will be seen as another test of those models. Critical thinking is an automatic function. You can only increase the capacity for critical thinking in those who see it as a worthy pursuit, and that worth will be judged based on it's perceived efficacy in real life from experiencing and encountering examples to measure against. Keep in mind, some people life in blissful ignorance and get by just fine.
 
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I'm not a Christian, but I believe taking kids to a church and Sunday school that teaches young-earth creationism, Biblical literalism, and sinners burning in hell is one of the absolute best tools for teaching critical thinking. A religious private school which teaches that doctrine is even better, although church is free. Provide actual science books and history books too as a compare/contrast. I don't even mean this in a smug atheist way either, even if I did have that phase when I was like 18-19, active engagement with religion is like a vaccination against crazy ideology, at least for me, since I can see the same dogmatic thinking among believers in critical theory, gender ideology, Covidians, etc. that I saw as a kid.

Sadly, this probably requires good parenting since I suspect all this approach does to the average NPC is turn them into euphoric cringelords who substitute Christianity for atheism, not someone who surpasses that and can genuinely think critically about ideology.
 
I'd rather teach children to develop the right opinions but according to libertarians and classical liberals that makes me an authoritarian control-freak trying to play god. Wow, I have beliefs and convictions and attempt to impose my will unto others, who am I to decide what is right or wrong?
 
Like this:
"Make your own decisions."
It's simple, but the lot like to overcomplicate things
 
The traditional way is for them to receive a classical education in the Liberal Arts, including Logic.
 
Some suggestions of how you can pull this off:
  1. Read a lot of books.
  2. Stay away from cable news and TV in general.
  3. Stay off Reddit and social media.
  4. Learn a practical skill.
  5. Learn to see through the nonsense pushed in public schools.
  6. Develop a mentality where you don't care about trends and fads or people making fun of you for whatever reason.
  7. Keep away from nonsensical social norms or those which are actively harmful.
  8. Don't let relatives browbeat you into thinking the way they do because "everyone in OUR family thinks/votes/acts this way!"
  9. Don't think films are an accurate portrayal of modern real life or historical periods.
  10. Don't look up to celebrities or politicians.
That's just ten off the top of my head.
 
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