🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

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Driedsoap dijo:
The recent photo looks more sad than swollen / edema to me. With that tongue and position of his chin it's not flattering.

I know I'm the only one rooting for him not to be sent to the morgue but if he can put some weight on his skeletal legs the situation would be more encouraging. Wasting away in hospital isn't a pleasant experience. If appeal wins in family favour can a life support machine be moved to home for palliative care? Does that ever happen?
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Why are you so keen on keeping a child's corpse on life support?
 
Driedsoap dijo:
The recent photo looks more sad than swollen / edema to me. With that tongue and position of his chin it's not flattering.

I know I'm the only one rooting for him not to be sent to the morgue but if he can put some weight on his skeletal legs the situation would be more encouraging. Wasting away in hospital isn't a pleasant experience. If appeal wins in family favour can a life support machine be moved to home for palliative care? Does that ever happen?
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No a dead body with a brain rotting inside is not typically moved to hospice care. It is already dead. There is no palliative care besides taking the tubes out of his throat and letting him officially expire. He probably needs far too much care to keep the body from decaying at this point to even be put into hospice.
He will not put weight on, his body will not accept food because his brain has rotted. He is far past “wasting away in a hospital”, his brain is literally rotted out of his head.
 
Thomas Eugene Paris dijo:
It's very promising for the so-called "extrapyramidal" disorders. Interestingly, though, there are a few studies demonstrating a positive correlation between DBS and suicidality in patients with Parkinson disease and other extrapyramidal disorders.

For what it's worth, many patients report that electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), the "electro-shock therapy" once common in mental hospitals and portrayed nightmarishly in film and fiction, is the closest thing to a miracle cure for their otherwise intractable depression. Some patients report that it works pretty much instantly and feels like a fog is lifted.
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Yeah, it wasn't a complete cure for some of the kids... in that they had to go back for maintenance treatments. Makes sense that deep brain stimulation would keep working because its a steady shock. As the article stated, it was a complete end to it, and same for the ECT except the behaviors would slowly start back up over time.
 
Peaches Demure dijo:
It's certainly not a pleasant experience for the nursing staff that has to maintain his body.
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Of all the vile things nurses deal with on shift Archie seems like an easy patient to handle apart from seeing a child in bad condition.

The court docs did state that brain stem degradation is unlikely to progress so his brain isn't liquefying as many of you comment on. He'll end up starving though if calories can't be absorbed.
 
Driedsoap dijo:
Of all the vile things nurses deal with on shift Archie seems like an easy patient to handle apart from seeing a child in bad condition.

The court docs did state that brain stem degradation is unlikely to progress so his brain isn't liquefying as many of you comment on. He'll end up starving though if calories can't be absorbed.
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I've had patients chuck the contents of their bedpan at me, and trust me, I'd rather deal with that than do maintenance on a corpse with a pulse. Don't underestimate the grotesque emotional component of this sad, sad freakshow.

What difference does it mean if his brain is liquefying or calcifying, or something else altogether? It's permanently lost its function and nothing can be done to restore any of it.
 
Driedsoap dijo:
The recent photo looks more sad than swollen / edema to me. With that tongue and position of his chin it's not flattering.

I know I'm the only one rooting for him not to be sent to the morgue but if he can put some weight on his skeletal legs the situation would be more encouraging. Wasting away in hospital isn't a pleasant experience. If appeal wins in family favour can a life support machine be moved to home for palliative care? Does that ever happen?
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It's also not pleasant to languish at home with a bunch of tubes in you.

I believe all things are possible through Christ. I also know it is unlikely this little boy will really be able to have any meaningful life in this lifetime. Feeling sorry for his family doesn't make you a virtuous person.

He could conceivably go home on a buddy vent, but would you want to languish in a bed all day in your own excrement and sweat, staring at the ceiling of your bedroom, just waiting for the days to pass until you finally get pneumonia and die? I wouldn't want to live that way and I wouldn't put my stamp of approval doing it to someone else.
 
Peaches Demure dijo:
I've had patients chuck the contents of their bedpan at me, and trust me, I'd rather deal with that than do maintenance on a corpse with a pulse. Don't underestimate the grotesque emotional component of this sad, sad freakshow.
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Yeah, with the Baby K case weren't there nurses complaining it was traumatizing due to the fact that they were being forced to provide extraordinary life-saving care to what was essentially a self-warming corpse? And Baby K at least had a brainstem (gaping hole where everything else should be tho cause anencephaly).

I'd imagine at this point Archie's organs and tissues have deteriorated to the point transplant is no longer an option. Like with Jahi, had the parents accepted the reality of their kid being dead when it first happened, a little good could've at least come from a horrible tragedy by donating the kids organs.
 
LonesomeDud dijo:
He could conceivably go home on a buddy vent, but would you want to languish in a bed all day in your own excrement and sweat, staring at the ceiling of your bedroom, just waiting for the days to pass until you finally get pneumonia and die? I wouldn't want to live that way and I wouldn't put my stamp of approval doing it to someone else.
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I would prefer to die at home versus in a hospital setting and I'd choose the same for my children if allowed. I don't think that's outlandish or even worse than what's going on now, but if his family wants him to stay connected until he dies that is just as ethical to me as unplugging the life support.

My perspective has never been based on virtue although I am personally very disillusioned with the British justice system. That does lead to being more critical of legal statements and not necessarily viewing court admissions as "irrevocable truth" simply because of the process undertaken. Everything contains a bias and when there is a serious matter like life support being withdrawn I would err on the side of allowing more time than withdrawing support.

I expect to be rated dumb endlessly until I'm banned yet again. Doesn't change my mind on the subject.
 
Driedsoap dijo:
I would prefer to die at home versus in a hospital setting and I'd choose the same for my children if allowed. I don't think that's outlandish or even worse than what's going on now, but if his family wants him to stay connected until he dies that is just as ethical to me as unplugging the life support.
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And I hope you're fine with all the actually living kids who, because of blowing exorbitant amounts of money on nothing, get no care or inferior care for the sake of worshipping a fucking potato.
 
Driedsoap dijo:
I would prefer to die at home versus in a hospital setting and I'd choose the same for my children if allowed. I don't think that's outlandish or even worse than what's going on now, but if his family wants him to stay connected until he dies that is just as ethical to me as unplugging the life support.

My perspective has never been based on virtue although I am personally very disillusioned with the British justice system. That does lead to being more critical of legal statements and not necessarily viewing court admissions as "irrevocable truth" simply because of the process undertaken. Everything contains a bias and when there is a serious matter like life support being withdrawn I would err on the side of allowing more time than withdrawing support.

I expect to be rated dumb endlessly until I'm banned yet again. Doesn't change my mind on the subject.
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Your preferences are bad and would cause you and your children an enormous amount of suffering you cannot understand. Have you seen long term vent patients? I hope your family and you stay very healthy for a very long time.

You say it's not based on virtue. If you don't care about things like virtue, truth, and compassion, you're not the person who should be making choices for the critically ill. There is bias, but truth isn't just about perspective or some magical. flexible reality. People suffer or prosper for our choices.
 
sperginity dijo:
A book I am reading by some evolutionary biologists said that less interaction w/the body of a dead loved one results in longer and worse grieving. Lots of primates naturally interact with their dead loved ones bodies as a part of understanding what death means. I would not be surprised if most of the kids wanted to hold the baby.
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Very late here, but this reminded me of a famous photo that has stuck with me for a long time. The Feels.
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LonesomeDud dijo:
You say it's not based on virtue. If you don't care about things like virtue, truth, and compassion, you're not the person who should be making choices for the critically ill. There is bias, but truth isn't just about perspective or some magical. flexible reality. People suffer or prosper for our choices.
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This is a thread titled "Tard Baby General". Why are you on my ass about my moral failings? I've been the most empathetic autist posting here.

AnOminous dijo:
And I hope you're fine with all the actually living kids who, because of blowing exorbitant amounts of money on nothing, get no care or inferior care for the sake of worshipping a fucking potato.
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That's another matter entirely and part of my earlier criticism. Medical support wastes loads of money on things I disagree with and yet it still occurs.

I place life support on a different tier though because death is permanent and there's no harm in extending care beyond what is reasonable. If Archie was plugged in for Terry Shiavo length of time I'd be much more on the terminating side but that's not the case with him.

Anyways I'm dumb so keep rating.
 
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Driedsoap dijo:
This is a thread titled "Tard Baby General". Why are you on my ass about my moral failings? I've been the most empathetic autist posting here.


That's another matter entirely and part of my earlier criticism. Medical support wastes loads of money on things I disagree with and yet it still occurs.

I place life support on a different tier though because death is permanent and there's no harm in extending care beyond what is reasonable. If Archie was plugged in for Terry Shiavo length of time I'd be much more on the terminating side but that's not the case with him.

Anyways I'm dumb so keep rating.
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I forget, what was your evidence Archie isn't brain dead? I ask because I'm pretty sure that if a portion of a person's brain has necrotized and fallen down their spine, then that person's fucking brain dead.
 
Thomas Eugene Paris dijo:
It's very promising for the so-called "extrapyramidal" disorders. Interestingly, though, there are a few studies demonstrating a positive correlation between DBS and suicidality in patients with Parkinson disease and other extrapyramidal disorders.

For what it's worth, many patients report that electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), the "electro-shock therapy" once common in mental hospitals and portrayed nightmarishly in film and fiction, is the closest thing to a miracle cure for their otherwise intractable depression. Some patients report that it works pretty much instantly and feels like a fog is lifted.
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I always appreciate your informative posts and elaborations on things!

Someone I knew who had had depression as the result of an absolutely horrific childhood underwent ECT and says it saved her. She was a huge scatterbrain, which she said was a side effect, but she said her quality of life as a scatterbrain was vastly better than it was before ECT. And if I'm not mistaken, Carrie Fisher also said ECT helped her bipolar disorder a lot.

It feels to me that stuff like ECT was abused or misapplied to some extent, to inspire the fiction that gave it a bad reputation. I think new technology has to go through waves of acceptance and backlash. If ECT works for some people, I hope they're able to access it.

But fiction can be very powerful. How many parents of life support corpses are refusing to let them pass because they saw a coma patient miraculously wake up in a soap opera?
 
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