US Biden’s false claim that the 2nd Amendment bans cannon ownership - “And I might add: The Second Amendment, from the day it was passed, limited the type of people who could own a gun and what type of weapon you could own. You couldn’t buy a cannon.”

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The president offered this aside as he made a litany of his regular points about the need for background checks and what he says was the effectiveness of bans on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines that expired.

Parenthetical asides from a prepared text often trip up presidents, especially Biden. In this case, he repeated a claim — that Americans were prohibited from owning cannons — that has already been fact-checked as false when he made it during the presidential campaign.

The Facts​

The cannon element is what mostly interests us here, but we should also address Biden’s framing about the Second Amendment, which was part of the Bill of Rights adopted in 1791.

The meaning of the Second Amendment — “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” — has long been debated. But experts said Biden especially mischaracterized it.

“Everything in that statement is wrong,” said David Kopel, the research director and Second Amendment project director at the Independence Institute. After 1791, “there were no federal laws about the type of gun you could own, and no states limited the kind of gun you could own.” Not until the early 1800s were there any efforts to pass restrictions on carrying concealed weapons, he said.

“I think what he’s saying here is that the Second Amendment was never understood to guarantee everyone the right to own all types of weapons, which I believe is true,” said Kermit Roosevelt, a constitutional law professor at the University of Pennsylvania. “As phrased, it sounds like the Second Amendment itself limited ownership, which is not true.”

Kopel noted that some states placed gun-ownership restrictions on Native American tribes, including orders to disarm them, but the tribes under the Constitution at the time were treated as the equivalent of foreign nations.

Interestingly, during the campaign, Biden had asserted that the cannon restrictions happened during the Revolutionary War. “From the very beginning you weren’t allowed to have certain weapons,” Biden told Wired magazine in May 2020. “You weren’t allowed to own a cannon during the Revolutionary War as an individual.”

Historians at the time told PolitiFact there was no evidence this was the case. The Biden campaign could not point to any laws but seemed to suggest Biden’s point was more metaphorical than grounded in reality.

Now Biden has moved the cannon metaphor to some 20 years after the Revolutionary War — and it’s still wrong.

In fact, you do not have to look far in the Constitution to see that private individuals could own cannons. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 gives Congress the power to declare war. But there is another element of that clause that might seem strange to modern ears — Congress also had the power to “grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal.”

What’s that? These were special waivers that allowed private individuals to act as pirates on behalf of the United States against countries engaged in war with it. The “letter of marque” allowed a warship to cross into another country’s territory to take a ship, while a “letter of reprisal” gave authorization to bring the ship back to the home port of the capturer.

Individuals who were given these waivers and owned warships obviously also obtained cannons for use in battle.

The White House did not provide an explanation of Biden’s comment.

The Pinocchio Test​

Some readers might think this is a relatively inconsequential flub. But we disagree. Every U.S. president has a responsibility to get American history correct, especially when he’s using a supposed history lesson in service of a political objective. The president’s push for more gun restrictions is an important part of his political platform, so he undercuts his cause when he cites faux facts.

Moreover, Biden has already been fact-checked on this claim — and it’s been deemed false. We have no idea where he conjured up this notion about a ban on cannon ownership in the early days of the Republic, but he needs to stop making this claim.

Four Pinocchios

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Joe Biden is starting to sound like how my old father used to sound about why there needs to be gun control to stop criminals.

Yet for some reason, he can’t explain why NYC is harboring criminals that shoot and kill cops while either on duty or unarmed.

Either way, I’m waiting for the day when people keep using the “Just call a social worker” excuse when all the social workers out of nowhere move out of the Democrat, blue controlled states big cities.
Biden is a fudd who hates AR-14s and believes a double barreled shotgun is enough.

Plus he is a demented nigger lover surrounded by woke progressives who feed him different things.

Trump isn't any less retarded. He straight up refused to expand gun rights (while illegally ordering the ATF to curtail certain rights) and gave Israel a bunch of advanced equipment which they proceeded to sell to China. Trump is a fag.
Trump stopped attempts at a AWB and his only black eye was the bump stock ban otherwise didn't do the things that Obama did or Biden is doing now like banning Russian ammo and making the ATF more aggressive than ever. Trump also cucking the NRA during that Parkland shooting, was a good thing because the NRA are useless fags and Trump proved that right to a large audience.

However if we are going to go after GOP POTUS for being cucks on the 2A, lets bring up Ronald Reagan and how much simping there is for him even now.
 
Trump stopped attempts at a AWB and his only black eye was the bump stock ban otherwise didn't do the things that Obama did or Biden is doing now like banning Russian ammo and making the ATF more aggressive than ever. Trump also cucking the NRA during that Parkland shooting, was a good thing because the NRA are useless fags and Trump proved that right to a large audience.

However if we are going to go after GOP POTUS for being cucks on the 2A, lets bring up Ronald Reagan and how much simping there is for him even now.
Yes, Reagan was a faggot, but Trump had two years where he could've done literally anything to further gun rights, and he didn't. The Hearing Protection Act, national reciprocity, opening up the machine gun registry, all things in his power to do and none of them were done. The only thing we got is a bump stock ban and the beginnings of the pistol brace ban. Make no mistake, the pistol brace ban that's coming in June was begun under Trump in 2020. Trump is a massive faggot, it's incredible that a likely child rapist that's been married like four times and cheated on all of his wives has become the leader of the conservative "Christian" camp. Protestants are a disgrace.
 
Yes, Reagan was a faggot, but Trump had two years where he could've done literally anything to further gun rights, and he didn't. The Hearing Protection Act, national reciprocity, opening up the machine gun registry, all things in his power to do and none of them were done. The only thing we got is a bump stock ban and the beginnings of the pistol brace ban. Make no mistake, the pistol brace ban that's coming in June was begun under Trump in 2020. Trump is a massive faggot, it's incredible that a likely child rapist that's been married like four times and cheated on all of his wives has become the leader of the conservative "Christian" camp. Protestants are a disgrace.
That act iirc, was murdered by McConnell and other RINOs. Another lesson which the Trump administration and the 2020 election showed, relying on the POTUS to save folks isn't enough or probably should never even be the goal.

Getting rid of a lot of senators and house members in Congress and State houses who don't aggressively push the 2A is work that needs to be done.
 
Biden - "It's illegal to buy cannons in the 1700s"
Trump - "We conquered England's airports in the 1700s"

Dumb slip-ups like this really aren't that big of a deal and the only people who look bad are the salivating monkeys who jump all over it with like 100 rebootal articles.
 
Biden - "It's illegal to buy cannons in the 1700s"
Trump - "We conquered England's airports in the 1700s"

Dumb slip-ups like this really aren't that big of a deal and the only people who look bad are the salivating monkeys who jump all over it with like 100 rebootal articles.
It's relevant because they're arguing that banning "military style" weapons is presumptively lawful, and are pointing to non existent laws banning canons as evidence. The point is "military style weapons" (like canons) were legal, and therefore there is no "text, history, and tradition" to support banning them.
 
Trump is a textbook NY Democrat and it's amazing how many people still have the wool over their eyes about him.
 
Trump is, and has always been a 90s style Business Democrat. It is a testament to just how far we had/have fallen by the time of Trump's election that him getting a Republican paint job in the primary was enough to put him on the radical right wing of the party.

There are a lot of things to knock Trump on from a right wing point of view. Bump Stock ban was fucking stupid. His supreme court nominees have proved rather useless at best. The "Deep State" managed to snap back to total, overt, and complete influence the moment he left office. However his deepest sins lie in not dismantling the Republican establishment, but instead trying to strengthen it.

Despite all this, and more. He is a million times better than Biden. Trump will hopefully be remembered for creating the environment for truly strong rightwing leaders to come to the top. I don't think you get a DeSantis without him.
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Sperging aside, this thread is about laughing at Biden, so:

Biden is a senile old man who couldn't remember his civics classes, even if they even had any back in the neolithic era.
 
Trump is, and has always been a 90s style Business Democrat. It is a testament to just how far we had/have fallen by the time of Trump's election that him getting a Republican paint job in the primary was enough to put him on the radical right wing of the party.

There are a lot of things to knock Trump on from a right wing point of view. Bump Stock ban was fucking stupid. His supreme court nominees have proved rather useless at best. The "Deep State" managed to snap back to total, overt, and complete influence the moment he left office. However his deepest sins lie in not dismantling the Republican establishment, but instead trying to strengthen it.

Despite all this, and more. He is a million times better than Biden. Trump will hopefully be remembered for creating the environment for truly strong rightwing leaders to come to the top. I don't think you get a DeSantis without him.
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Sperging aside, this thread is about laughing at Biden, so:

Biden is a senile old man who couldn't remember his civics classes, even if they even had any back in the neolithic era.
Don't forget that Donald Trump and Joe Biden alike are fuckin' chomos and need to be exiled back to Epstein Island where they belong. Honestly I have a hard time believing how fucking far gone this God damn country is sometimes.
 
Trump is, and has always been a 90s style Business Democrat. It is a testament to just how far we had/have fallen by the time of Trump's election that him getting a Republican paint job in the primary was enough to put him on the radical right wing of the party.

There are a lot of things to knock Trump on from a right wing point of view. Bump Stock ban was fucking stupid. His supreme court nominees have proved rather useless at best. The "Deep State" managed to snap back to total, overt, and complete influence the moment he left office. However his deepest sins lie in not dismantling the Republican establishment, but instead trying to strengthen it.

Despite all this, and more. He is a million times better than Biden. Trump will hopefully be remembered for creating the environment for truly strong rightwing leaders to come to the top. I don't think you get a DeSantis without him.
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Sperging aside, this thread is about laughing at Biden, so:

Biden is a senile old man who couldn't remember his civics classes, even if they even had any back in the neolithic era.
Yeah, Trump is basically what happens to centrist leadership; it's unacceptably Right-wing just by not agreeing with the Left 100% of the time.
 
SCOTUS gives a lot less weight to post-reconstruction era laws because that's when the "collective right" view of the 2A became prominent, which they struck down in DC v Heller.
Yeah but if Biden wants to ban cannons he can just have them added to the NFA because clearly that's constitutional or it would have been challenged already.
 
Just a reminder flamethrowers are completely unregulated. Used for agriculture and pyrotechnics. Nobody cares.
 
Yeah but if Biden wants to ban cannons he can just have them added to the NFA because clearly that's constitutional or it would have been challenged already.
Its hard to say any gun control law is "clearly constitutional" when there have only been 3 significant 2A related scotus rulings on it in the history of the country (2 being pro-2A). And they didnt even touch on what it means until 2008.

The Miller case that challenged the NFA didn't even have an attorney argue against the government, and its reasoning for banning sbrs and sbss was that they weren't in common use by the military (which was false, short barreled shotguns were used a lot in the trenches in WWI.) That reasoning obviously doesn't apply to machine guns.

In fact SCOTUS in Miller didn't even rule that an sbs can be constitutionally banned, they ruled that they

cannot take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, and therefore cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizen the right to keep and bear such a weapon.
and then they remanded it back down to the federal district Court to decide this, but that never happened because Miller was killed.
 
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