Grabbed these from a
'queer Medievalist' who insisted the women in that Vagina Museum thread were actually men. James Barry, a famous US military surgeon, was only allowed to practice medicine in the first place when she identified as a man. Here is the
thread. Archive.
Barry, btw, had an unbroken voice and was almost denied entry to med school because they thought she was a prepubertal boy. Due to her standing, she was exempt from medical examinations. Transing the dead.
Michael Dillon can actually be considered a trans man, but she was given testosterone in order to cope with severe menstrual bleeding. First receiver of
Stumpdick. Had thirteen surgeries. Roberta Cowell, Britain's Lile Elbe, got inverted dick surgery from her. Roberta became trans when a Freudian psychiatrist told him he had a ladybrain.
The transcript for the Vagina Museum's podcast is
here. There you will find gay Vikings from a woman named Amy Jefford Franks, who is currently seething over the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. In the transcript, they insist Joan of Arc had to be a man because she wore armour and carried a sword.
St. Marinos was a woman who lived as a man in order to keep her post. In this podcast, these queer activists say it's 'dishonoring his memory', because women who cross dressed or did gender non conforming things were actually men.
They had to get a trans specialist to make sure they didn't use any no-no language:
Content warning: A trans-inclusion consultant from Sylveon Consulting has reviewed our script to make sure we avoid any unnecessary violence or other avoidable triggers in our language. However, our discussion will include reference to deadnames, sexual assault, and violence against queer and trans communities, which some listeners may find upsetting.
This is why they deserve to go out of business.
Before we begin, a reminder that, while we are all about vaginas and people with vaginas, biology does. not. dictate. gender. You’ll hear us using gender-inclusive language in our narration unless we are specifically talking about a particular gender.
Jonah felt 'he' didn't have a tribe. This is what 'he' looks
like.
Because of displacement. I didn't have my own Romanian or Transylvanian identity as my background. So I needed to know who my folk is and also know where we come from. And that kind of prompted me to go into queer history specifically and, you know, kind of see, delve into not only...right now, mostly people are like, Oh yeah, you know, Ann Lister and all that. And it's far further than Victorians. It's far further than early modern; it's medieval, it's ancient, we are everywhere. It's really beautiful to be able to see yourself in history. Straight people have that all the time. White people have that all the time, you know, able people have that all the time, but it's so amazing to see yourself in history like that.
St. Marinos is a dude because this 'dude' interpreted her chest as male:
: I looked at chest, uh, shapes and kind of just general body shapes, uh, including skin tone. And generally in late medieval visual arts, men are depicted as darker-skinned than women, there are theological and medical explanations for that, but it is a general trend. And St. Marinos’ skin is always depicted...I mean mostly depicted as male skin and his chest when he bears it is a male chest. Again, whatever male chests look like, you know, it's a very complex issue.
More exceptional takes:
Alyssa: Society still conditions most of us to see gender in binary terms and assign specific traits to specific genders, for example, breasts and vaginas for women and a penis and facial hair for men. This is of course a gross oversimplification and erases so many people who exist beyond these socially constructed categories. Modern scholars are just as susceptible to these limiting assumptions, assumptions which can then erase the diversity of sexuality, gender identity, and gender expression that exists in historical sources.
Jonah: And rather than saying, oh, that, you know, that's not a woman ergo, that is a man; it's more interesting to see her maybe as a historical antecedent for women with polycystic ovarian syndrome, you know, where, because of the different hormonal interactions in your body, people assigned female at birth, people who have ovaries, do grow facial hair and can actually sport quite impressive beards. Some women have beards. And I feel that that's kind of the same point with Wilgefortis, right? Rather than saying, this is the person with a beard or ergo they're male, even though cool, they were assigned female at birth, then they're trans male. Rather than doing that, it's actually more interesting and more nuanced to say, no, this might be a woman with polycystic ovarian syndrome.
Some more:
Alyssa: Saint Marinos’ wiki page...which uses a female name as its title but can be found by Googling “Marinos”...is the same. In fact, it describes Marinos exclusively as a woman who actively hid her sex and uses female pronouns. My co-producer Hannah actually tried to fix the entry while working on this episode but ran into a problem along the way.
Hannah: I’ve made a few Wiki edits before...nothing major. Having listened to Jonah’s interview and holding a Master’s in Medieval Studies myself, I felt qualified to fix the Marinos entry. There were a lot of pronouns overall, so I removed some and changed the rest to he. I updated info that said Marinos was born a woman to “assigned female at birth.” Things like that. But when I went to check on the entry later, I saw all my changes were reversed, and I had a notification that one of my recent edits, quote “ did not appear constructive and has been reverted.” I visited the user profile of the individual who made that call, where you can see their political beliefs and other info. This user was a straight male in his 20s from South Carolina who has marked himself as anti-abortion, pro-Trump, anti-animal rights, against Climate Change science, in opposition to Barrack Obama, and who quote “does not subscribe to the modern definition of ‘tolerance’ whereby vicious and false attacks on Christianity are tolerated.” So I can’t imagine why he didn’t approve my edits.
Amy, the Queer Norse chick, appears later.
This is
her.
She runs a 'double blind peer reviewed
journal' by and for university students.
Amy: So I think the most important thing is to identify the language that is used or the, the signifiers that are used within the culture itself. You can't go in going, I'm going to look for a transgender person. You have to go in open to, this is how cis-heteronormative, cis-heteronormativity worked in this society. So how do we find people that deviate from that norm and what is deviation from that norm and what language is used around that? And I think that's the easiest way to do it. You can't read it, go, I'm going to look for a lesbian or a bisexual person or anything like that because that's just not true to those identities. Those identities didn't exist in that way in the past.
Jonah admits it's done out of 'his' own bias:
Jonah: There is that instant recognition that you have when this is your lived experience. And then when you see someone transitioning in the past or when you see someone, having the same desires and the same identity as you do, you understand them, and it's, it's the same kind of thing that disabled scholars do. So I feel like centring queer voices in terms of academia definitely will yield a better and probably even more nuanced kind of history of queer characters. More nuanced because we are well aware that our identity is kind of a-historical while, you know, a straight cis middle-class male historian might not necessarily challenge the way he receives the information and the way he puts information forward and the way that his identity is kind of.
"Absolutely not true" that cocks in frocks attack women in their spaces:
Amy: And the debate was whether to change to self-identification. So where people go, “This is my gender now,” and the government goes “cool,” which is what it needs to be. It doesn't need to be that big a deal. Unfortunately, it started being picked up a lot more by trans exclusionary radical feminists. So people who consider themselves to be feminist, but believe in biological essentialism. So if you're born with a vagina, you are a woman and there is nothing you can do to change that, which as we can see from these past stories simply isn't true. And then they picked up on this idea of trans women being in women-only spaces and how this was an awful thing because trans women are going to use this to attack women, attack these women and be violent towards these women, which absolutely is not true. Trans women are the most likely to be facing abuse in all our communities. Not only that, but this strange idea that men are going to use this as an excuse, a way to legally get into women's spaces to do illegal acts is just so nonsensical to me that there's no logic behind that thought process. And that was really the trigger for this awful transphobia in the last few years was just this kind of rising hatred against trans women in women-only spaces.
"It's literally nonsensical to me that we should have self ID and how men will abuse that because we have to see them as women"
She uses Odin as proof the Vikings were gay (same as Loki for transness) despite them being Gods and having the ability to do whatever they want. Loki was fucked as a horse, does that mean they support bestiality?
Her podcast is
here. Her paper can be downloaded.
Medievalists aren't sending their best.
Bonus: here's a fat black trans man talking about how obesity is trans rights:
Sending their best.
The article, btw.
It does state that they look at the violence faced in life time which would include the previous in-closet time male partners.
en.wikipedia.org
