Culture 'Dune' May Be Fascist, but Its Focus on Islam Is Groundbreaking - Simping For the Space Jihad

The film debut of “Dune” last month was hailed on extreme right-wing American websites. It may sound strange for a science-fiction film set some thousands of years in the future to attract such great interest among the ranks of neo-Nazis seeking to restore white supremacy, but anyone following the development of the alt-right would not be surprised.

Since the middle of the last decade, the extreme right has been partially geeky, with a prominent representation of young, white, fantasy enthusiasts. Richard Spencer, who is considered the ideological leader of white-supremacist circles, is an ardent fan of “Dune” and has devoted portions of his radio show to detailed discussions of the books by Frank Herbert on which the film is based.

So what does the radical right like about “Dune”? The answer is clear. It may depict a futuristic world, but it’s one governed according to a feudal order, with houses of nobility battling one another. At the same time, the world portrayed in the film is also capitalist: Its economy is based entirely on the production and manufacture of “spice,” a kind of psychedelic version of petroleum, produced in distant desert realms.

In addition, the mythology created by Herbert has racial foundations: The imperial Bene Gesserit sisterhood seeks to produce the Messiah through planned racial crossbreeding of rival dynasties. All that is enough to turn Paul Atreides, “Dune’s” leading character, played in the new film by Timothee Chalamet, into a hero of the real-life fascist right wing.

An article in the extreme right-wing Daily Stormer describes Atreides as “the leader of the religious and nationalist rebellion against an intergalactic empire.” It even compared him to Hungarian President Viktor Orban in his battle against the European Union.

So is “Dune,” the book and the film, really a fascist or reactionary work? There are those who would argue that the question itself is irrelevant. Since it’s a blockbuster and a product of mass consumption, a movie like this purportedly belongs to the field of entertainment, and there’s no point in looking for deep political meaning in it.

As a result, the vast majority of moviegoers will be satisfied watching the space battles and marvel at the sandworms bursting forth from the dunes. But even if relating to a film as entertainment and nothing more is appropriate when it comes to “Star Wars” – “Dune” is something else.

This epic of huge dimensions is based on one of the most serious and complex science-fiction works ever written. It’s not a superficial story about spaceships and swords, but rather a rich, multilayered work in which Herbert developed the theology, ecology, technology and economy of the universe that he created. And even more than that, in the 21st century, we cannot discount the political importance of science fiction.

To a great extent, the post-modern mythologies of fantasy and science fiction currently play the role that national epics played in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Works such as “Lord of the Rings” and “Dune” can be considered the contemporary counterparts of the German national epic “Song of the Nibelungs,” which inspired Richard Wagner’s eponymous opera cycle.

From that standpoint, one can view production of the new film version of “Dune” as another expression of the conservative fantasies of our time, which go well beyond right-wing American extremist circles. People of all ages are easily swept up in works depicting kings and barons and royal dynasties, or in celebrating the racial differences among elves, dwarfs and humans.

But Herbert’s work contains a fundamental element that sets it apart from most other fantasy and science-fiction works: Islam. Anyone unfamiliar with Herbert’s books will be surprised to come across Arabic, Persian, Turkish and even Hebrew words in the movie. The protagonist Paul Atreides may not be fundamentally different from King Arthur, or from fantasy heroes like Harry Potter or Frodo Baggins (the protagonist of “Lord of the Rings”), but unlike them he bears the title “Mahdi.” This is a concept that originated in the Koran, as a name for the Messiah, especially in Shi’ite Islam. Artreides is also referred to as “Muad’dib,” “Usal” or “Lisan al-Gaib” – titles given here to someone destined to lead a galactic jihad. And if that is not enough - he is also called “Kwisatz Haderech” (the Hebrew term for “the leap forward’), a concept with origins in the Babylonian Talmud.

Herbert cast the future world of “Dune” in the form of a kind of Middle Eastern, Islamic mythology. With the mass-culture reception of this latest rendering of the work, it is conceivable that “Dune” fans will begin to learn Arabic and Persian in order to trace the theological roots of the work. But this space jihadist fantasy also has limitations. The Arab and Islamic characteristics in the work are mostly associated with the Fremen, the desert dwellers on Dune, who are characterized as a kind of rather ignorant and primitive Bedouin.

In his book “Orientalism,” the Palestinian-born intellectual Edward Said criticized the stereotypical representations of the Middle East that are accepted in European and American culture. Indeed, “Dune” is perhaps the most “Orientalist” work in the science-fiction genre. The way in which Arab and Islamic culture are represented is saturated with clichés. The transliteration of Arabic-language words is incorrect. Moreover: As is common in the realm of “white” fantasy, the Fremen Bedouin expect a white savior to lead them to jihad. Herbert seems to have been influenced in this regard by the figure of T.E. Lawrence (of Arabia), the British Orientalist military officer who led some of the battles of the Arab Revolt during World War I.

But even if Herbert represented Islam stereotypically, he deserves credit for at least representing it. Would it have been better for the story of “Dune” – like so many other fictional works – to be set in a Nordic world, with gleaming blond heroes? Dune’s techno-orientalism expresses at least curiosity and fascination with the Islamic world, which is far from self-evident. This curiosity has a context: The books were written in the 1960s, before the era of the “war on terror.” Since the Islamic Revolution in Iran, the rise of Al-Qaida, and the Islamic State, it is hard to imagine that a popular work would be centered around what is referred to as a galactic jihad.

In an article published online in Al-Jazeera last year, Islamic scholar Ali Karjoo-Ravary noted that “Dune” granted Islam a central place in its futuristic world, in an extraordinary way. This future world does not resemble a California-based IT company transplanted to a different world, but a different, non-Western culture with Islamic characteristics.

In recent years, an interesting movement of Muslim futurism has emerged – works of science fiction written by Muslims from around the world, imagining a futuristic Muslim world. It is easier to imagine such a world in the present era, where Middle Eastern urban centers like Dubai and Doha are among the most futuristic cities in the world; moreover, the UAE has sent a probe to Mars. The distant future will not necessarily look like a Facebook board meeting, nor like a gathering of the Knights of the Round Table – but rather like an Islamic caliphate. Only Muslims will save civilization.

 
Considering all the r3tards who think Starship Troopers is fascist because "military = good, bugs = bad", I highly doubt that Dune truly lines up with the ideology of Mussolini and DeAmbris.
lol, nice name drop with Alceste de Ambris, or do you mean Amilcare? In any case, I'll keep this shit short & sweet by simply saying: no, it doesn't line up with fascist ideology at all and the fact this article only links it to fascism via space-capitalism or whatever-the-fuck, is self-evident of the fact it's actual trash - comparing the decentralized modes and systems of feudalism and feudal living to the very centralized systems of fascism is absolutely mind-bogglingly retarded; I've been on record for going on lengthy paragraphs about the opposition fascism and fascist "economics" has to capitalism although I don't have any intention of going into paragraph-length rants here.

...although fuck Richard Spencer - that absolutely fucking exceptional grifter has no place in any political sphere; he's a colossal fucking dumbass who has no idea what the fuck he's talking about and has no concept of politics beyond "white people" and has no idea how nation-states are ran, thoroughly enjoyed watching some Twitterati moron clock him square in the jaw on camera; he is considered the "ideological leader" of fuck-all by anyone within the right and only do assmad media pundits make him into some sort of presence and established name anymore - he lost all credibility even amongst his weird fans when he started backing Biden during the election on the grounds of 'accelerationism'.
 
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At the same time, the world portrayed in the film is also capitalist: Its economy is based entirely on the production and manufacture of “spice,” a kind of psychedelic version of petroleum, produced in distant desert realms.
The economy isn't just based on Spice you worthless jornoscum, it is the only thing that makes space travel possible without computers to do calculations to make sure you don't ftl into a star
 
Imagine these people reading. They watched Dune Wars and now think they're an expert. That's all there is to these shitty articles.
Some will move on to read because the original content is just another product to consoome. And of course, that's when they start to find all kind of "problematic" content and try to erase it.
 
Simply put, Dune and Lawrence of Arabia use the culture of the desert as a backdrop simply because it would be unconvincing to use the huts and villages of Aboriginals or South American Tribes for the same exact story tell. But the same fight against "X" can be applied in either context.

We have a fascination with the emptiness of the desert and attribute mystic qualities to it. But it is just a backdrop and nothing more. A Desert has nothing and no man needs nothing. Fremen were concerned with trees and not spice. Much like the character of Lawrence of Arabia where he clearly tells Lawrence they may live in a desert but it is not what they seek.

But if anyone actually reads all the novels of the Dune Series, the fantasy the moviegoers have of the great desert and the lovely hero tale soon gets twisted by reality into something different and the Hero and his children become quite something else. Paul's demise and Paul's children fall far from the tree of "Damn Capitalism" and a more realistic reality unfolds within the books that would likely not strike a chord with some readers.

But I digress, let us enjoy the fantasy and delusion that this movie really tells the depth of the first Book and take away whatever we wish to from a mere avatar of an actual great story.
 
Lol, the author forgets the part where when the Fremen get into power they go on a Jihad that results in billions upon billions of deaths and the literal destruction of over a thousand worlds. Their religious fanaticism results in countless deaths and years of destruction that made the last Emperor and the Baron's crimes look tame in comparison all because Paul is a dumbass, and that's the point. Paul was just a kid. A really gifted kid who different characters in the Dune universe interpreted as their Messiah but the truth was he was just as flawed as the rest of us. He was a spice addict, an abuser, and a terrible leader. His son had to spend years upon years being an even worse tyrant to undo all the shit Paul fucked up.
Which was the exact reason why the Bene Gesserit were so pissed off when Jessica fucked up. Their Kwisatz Haderach was supposed to be the perfect being, not some dumb drug fueled kid who couldn't lead for shit.
 
Which was the exact reason why the Bene Gesserit were so pissed off when Jessica fucked up. Their Kwisatz Haderach was supposed to be the perfect being, not some dumb drug fueled kid who couldn't lead for shit.
Paul is one of the greatest falls from grace in fiction, but that's besides the point. We're talking about the space Muslims. In Dune the space Muslims were gullible retards who became space crusaders glassing anyone who doesn't obey their religion. They allow their "Messiah" to completely destroy their planet's ecosystem because they're gullible retards who put their faith in an untested drug addict. The author hasn't read the books.
 
Liberals don't even know what actual Muslims and Islam are and is; how could they spot their influence in a work of fiction?

Also, suggesting the Mahdi as a concept is unique to or originated by Islam is lunacy. Hell, the second coming of Jesus practically fills the same role. And, indeed, the Mahdi and Jesus could be the same person, depending on who you ask... Just don't ask the wrong person or you might be the victim of jihad...
 
I mean...I would probably agree with this but I'm like 1 of 10 Americans who knows literally anything about Song of the Nibelungs. It's a weird comparison to make for the audience you would be writing for.
Or how many people know that the name "Atreides" was borrowed from the ancient Greek tragedy of Orestes? In Orestes, Electra and her brother Orestes kill their mother Clytemnestra for having a lover after the death of their father. Their family is the original "House of Atreides", they are hence the classic "tragic family", and this is why Herbert borrowed the name from Greek tragedy, because his Atreides in Dune are a tragic family too.
 
Liberals don't even know what actual Muslims and Islam are and is; how could they spot their influence in a work of fiction?

Also, suggesting the Mahdi as a concept is unique to or originated by Islam is lunacy. Hell, the second coming of Jesus practically fills the same role. And, indeed, the Mahdi and Jesus could be the same person, depending on who you ask... Just don't ask the wrong person or you might be the victim of jihad...
In Dune it's not Islam, anyway, it's different portions of Orange Catholicism. It's a mishmash of every major religion and mysticism that had existed on earth.

The Guild pretty much brought the leaders of every religion together, they had all thinking machines destroyed, and wrote one comprehensive Bible.
 
I going to call bullshit on this Muslim Future. Until they get their religious act together they will get nowhere.

This video explains it well on why today's Muslim world has degraded from its golden age.
NOTE: This video is over 1 hour long, but it gives you the real history of the Golden Age and it's fall. And again there will never be an another Golden age or a Silver age until Muslim Ideology changes from its extremist look on things.

You might want to book mark this and view it later.



Here's what goes on in the backwater Muslim world.

Then Finally a little bit of this. For many years, I worked in and around a place called "Little Kabul". And though I had no issues during that time I know that if I was in the middle east I would be a target, because of the looks I would get from them. I was a cultural outsider in their community.
 
In the Dune universe, elites used "thinking machines" to control people until the Butlerian Jihad revolted against that. After that great revolt, computers were banned.

I guess that could make woke social media and smartphone zombies uncomfortable.
 
In the Dune universe, elites used "thinking machines" to control people until the Butlerian Jihad revolted against that. After that great revolt, computers were banned.

I guess that could make woke social media and smartphone zombies uncomfortable.
The Butlerian Jihad was humanity shrugging off the yoke of the YouTube / Facebook / Google Algorithms. Watch out Zuckerberg, judgement day is coming sometime in the next 10,000 years.
 
Which was the exact reason why the Bene Gesserit were so pissed off when Jessica fucked up. Their Kwisatz Haderach was supposed to be the perfect being, not some dumb drug fueled kid who couldn't lead for shit.
That's giving the Bene Gesserit too much credit. They didn't want a leader. They wanted the perfect pawn. It was not an altruistic desire to have a grand messiah.

They didn't think that Paul could ever challenge them, that he could ever look them in the face and tell them to fuck off. But he did. And though he fell hard it was good.
 
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